[Silent Sam]

I agree, Dr. K. That sounds totally wrong to me too. It's the high powered chargers that can damage batteries; not the low power ones.

 

[coder]

The advice I hear is:
1) rapid dc charging is not good for the battery. It is meant only for times when you are on a tight schedule, and should not be done regularly.

2) It is not good for the battery to spend a lot of time fully charged. It is better to only charge it to 80% ( maybe 90%) so it spends less time in fully charged state.
This is supposed to be a technique that is supposed to help preserving your battery longevity. If you actually need the extra range, top it up to 100% before you need it.
This, again is to minimize the time while the car is sitting these fully charged. The recent battery fire related recall instructions explicitly prompt us do do this.

 

[CocoTheKonaEV]

I just picked up my Kona last week, I texted my salesperson and she said its fine to charge to 100% regularly? In fact she said "Its better to keep at 100% charge."

I still think ill cap it at 80% unless I need the full range...

 

[coder]

Salespeople do not necessarily know the product they sell. You cant go wrong being conservative in this case. If a sales person asserts something that you feel is controversial, you could ask for the source of this information. "what are you basing this recommendation on?" . I would be curious to hear what he says.

 

[Silent Sam]

I just picked up my Kona last week, I texted my salesperson and she said its fine to charge to 100% regularly? In fact she said "Its better to keep at 100% charge."

I still think ill cap it at 80% unless I need the full range...

In my personal experience, as well intentioned as they may be, most Hyundai dealer staff don't seem to know much about EVs. And Hyundai HQ is bafflingly stingy with information. No idea why. Here's what I've managed to dig up off the internet on the subject of charging:

1) Every site related to battery charging that I've visited says that consistent 100% charges can lead to premature battery degrading. That is said to apply to all EV's, not just Konas.

2) Don't try to charge over 80% at a fast (DC) charger. Charging speed drops a lot above 80% and DC chargers (Level III's) in general are said to degrade batteries faster than Level II's (AC chargers). Can't swear if that is true or not, but intuitively I'd suspect it is. Level II units charge at a leisurely 7.2 -- 7.4 Kwh. Level III's slam the charge rate up to 30 -- 50 Kwh.

3) When using an AC (Level II, or home style) charger, limit to 80 -- 90% charge. If you are travelling a distance -- such as out of town -- it's OK to charge to 100%, but only do it on a Level II (AC) charger. One site suggested that for speedier 100% charges, do the first 80% on a Level III (DC) charger and then top off to 100% on a Level II. Sounded reasonable.

4) Another site I visited recommended running batteries down to 30 -- 50% before recharging. It seems reasonable too. As I've installed a Level II charger at home, that is another charging protocol I've adopted for my Kona EV. So far it seems to be working fine.

5) Just as a FYI...where I live electricity is hydro generated and costs about 10.5 cents per Kwh. Depending on driving conditions, that translates to between 1.5 -- 2.0 cents per kilometre. The VW Golf I had before my EV was pretty economical as internal combustion vehicles go. But at the present price for gasoline where I live ($1.22/litre) it would cost around 10.5 cents per kilometre to drive the VW, or at least five times as much as the EV. One more reason to love your electric car...

 

[Mechanic]

I'm a mechanic at Hyundai and also working with the kona ev. If the HV battery is charged at 100% this is at 4.2v per cell. This is the maximum capacity for this type of battery (Lithium-ion polymer). 4.2v is 100%. not 80% charge.

Like a cellphone battery charging to 100% all the time would shorten the lifespan of the battery pack to 300/500 charging cycles, but due to better temperature regulation this can be longer, in the link below it is explained.
Source: How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

 

[MSimpsonNJ]

I'm a mechanic at Hyundai and also working with the kona ev. If the HV battery is charged at 100% this is at 4.2v per cell. This is the maximum capacity for this type of battery (Lithium-ion polymer). 4.2v is 100%. not 80% charge.
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Like a cellphone battery charging to 100% all the time would shorten the lifespan of the battery pack to 300/500 charging cycles, but due to better temperature regulation this can be longer, in the link below it is explained.
Source: How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

I just picked up my brand new 2020 Kona EV yesterday and as it is my first EV I'm trying to discover all the nuances as quickly as I can (and will get my baptism by fire next week as I am taking a 1200 mile trip to Florida!)

I see a lot about the 80%-max-except-when-doing-long-distance-between-stops rule and plan on keeping to this rule as best I can. I see a little discussion about the low limit but not as much. Not that I want to get to this point, but what are the downsides to going below say 20%, and how low can you go without doing real damage?

Thanks for all of the above information.

 

[Silent Sam]

I just picked up my brand new 2020 Kona EV yesterday and as it is my first EV I'm trying to discover all the nuances as quickly as I can (and will get my baptism by fire next week as I am taking a 1200 mile trip to Florida!)

I see a lot about the 80%-max-except-when-doing-long-distance-between-stops rule and plan on keeping to this rule as best I can. I see a little discussion about the low limit but not as much. Not that I want to get to this point, but what are the downsides to going below say 20%, and how low can you go without doing real damage?

Thanks for all of the above information.

I can think of two downsides. First is, the lower you run your reserve before planned refuelling, the more you risk running out entirely. For instance, suppose you schedule a charge stop when you expect to be down to say, 20%. You arrive at the the rechargers and find they aren't working. Judging from some reviews I've seen on YouTube, that does apparently happen, though I've never experienced it myself and sure don't want to. Regardless, if it does, you will have very limited reserve available to get you to another charger.

How low can you run your batteries? My understanding is, once you approach zero reserve, it can apparently damage them. Can't swear that's so, but I have read on a related website that full discharge can harm lithium batteries.

We've had a 2021 Kona EV for about six months. We've made a few road trips with it. Our protocol is to charge to 100% on our level-2 charger before leaving home. Then we schedule a a charging stop at somewhere between 30% and 50% reserve. So far that's worked out OK for us. And it leaves enough wiggle-room to look for an alternative one if for any reason we can't access the intended charger.

And an observation: we live in British Columbia and when we first got our EV we were pretty paranoid about road trips. There are numerous level-3 public chargers (both government and commercial) being installed across the province, but there are still some sizeable sketchy areas. However, we've found if you do a bit of planning before leaving home, things work out OK. But it sure is different than travelling by conventional vehicle.

Not that I'm complaining. When I see fossil fuel prices take a sudden and arbitrary jump of almost 20% as they did recently where I live, I smile, drive home and plug into my personal level-2 charger. I know for sure I'll be paying $0.10/Kwh for my fuel and that works out to around $0.02/km (approx. $0.03/mile), or less. If I still had my VW Golf (a pretty economical car by fossil fuel standards) I'd be paying $0.10/km ($0.16/mile) and more.

Have a great trip, BTW. I'm sure you'll find more than enough charge points to keep you comfortably motoring. And you are going to love driving your new EV...

PS: If you haven't already downloaded Plug Share <PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You> give it a try. It can be quite helpful.

 

[Kiwi]

I see a lot about the 80%-max-except-when-doing-long-distance-between-stops rule and plan on keeping to this rule as best I can. I see a little discussion about the low limit but not as much. Not that I want to get to this point, but what are the downsides to going below say 20%, and how low can you go without doing real damage

Some new owners get confused between 80% being a practical fast-charging level (because the charge rate drops and cost/kWh may increase, or the charger stops automatically before 100%) and being kind to the battery by limiting charge to levels under 100% on a daily-driving basis. On a trip, best ignore the latter and charge as much as you feel you need in order to safely reach your next planned waypoint.

As for going under 20%, the general advice is to charge to above 20% as soon afterwards as is practical. In any case charging after driving while the battery is still warm is generally a good plan because charging speed is best when the pack is at 25°C or over.

 

[engnrng]

There is information in the manual from Hyundai that recommends charging settings. If I did not live on the top of a hill, I would charge to 100% every 3 or 4 days. Instead I set at 90% for my home level 2 charging so that I gain a couple of miles of range on the way down the hill.

 

[RZaruba]

Instead I set at 90% for my home level 2 charging so that I gain a couple of miles of range on the way down the hill.

I did some testing with the local free Clipper Creek AC charger in town yesterday. 2020 Kona EV rated at 7.2 kWh max on AC charging.

I normally get 7.4 kWh as indicated on the console and charge to 80%.

Yesterday i set max AC charge to 90% and watched the "gauge." As the SOC went past 82%, the ROC dropped from 7.4 kWh to 1.0 kWh.

 

[engnrng]

I did some testing with the local free Clipper Creek AC charger in town yesterday. 2020 Kona EV rated at 7.2 kWh max on AC charging.

I normally get 7.4 kWh as indicated on the console and charge to 80%.

Yesterday i set max AC charge to 90% and watched the "gauge." As the SOC went past 82%, the ROC dropped from 7.4 kWh to 1.0 kWh.

Interesting result. Just a nudge: The units of power/ROC are kW, not kWh. kWh is a unit of energy. Of course, I cannot try what you did since I have a 2019 waiting for a new battery, so SOC is limited to 80%. Yours must be outside the recall window. Can't wait to get my range back!

 

[Sudo]

I am a new Kona EV owner - had the car almost 3 weeks now. I know this is a topic that has been discussed but I can never find a black and white answer. I even emailed Hyundai and got some sort of canned email response about contacting my local dealership. The dealership was nice and all but when it came to this Kona EV they really didn't seem to much about the EV version. I knew way more than they knew. I would love to charge to 100% and I did it the 1st couple of Level 2 charges. Then got spooked and set the limit for 80%. I read a couple places (other forums - nothing from Hyundai) that Hyundai created a safety limit and when our cars say 100% that is actually 80% to protect the battery. If that is the case I'd love to charge to 100%. Does anyone actually know?

I just picked up my new Kona EV (love it!!). The business manager at the dealership (who has Ioniq and Kona EVs) said charging to 100% is fine for trickle charger never more than 80% for level 3 chargers.

 

[TRT]

I just picked up my new Kona EV (love it!!). The business manager at the dealership (who has Ioniq and Kona EVs) said charging to 100% is fine for trickle charger never more than 80% for level 3 chargers.

From the horse’s mouth: Hyundai advice on how to maximise battery life.
1. Do not discharge battery to low levels (if you have to, recharge ASAP)
2. Charge more frequently (like every day)
3. Avoid frequent heavy acceleration (occasionally shouldn’t hurt too much)
4. Park in the shade (like in summer when it’s hot)
5. Set maximum charge to 80-90% (unless you really need it)

 

[TRT]

Yesterday i set max AC charge to 90% and watched the "gauge." As the SOC went past 82%, the ROC dropped from 7.4 kWh to 1.0 kWh.

Since the exploding battery saga, Hyundai has revised software to pause at (about) 80% for a couple of minutes while it assesses the battery pack. Repeats pause at 90%.

 

[PortHopeEV]

Hey everyone! New here! Had our 21 for a month. I drive 180km daily for work. 80%- lower 30% daily.
I charge nightly lol anyone else in the same boat?

 

[FreeWing]

I too have wandered the web looking for a definitive statement but even though electric cars have been around a few years there is no simple explanation or plan. If you need only 80% then it would be better to only charge to that amount because they say the sweet spot for battery longevity is between 20-80% but if you need 100% because of a longer trip then what I have read is go to 100% but do not leave it sitting for longer than 8hrs fully charged.

I wait till I am down around 20% then charge to 80%. If I am going a fair distance the next day I often Level 2 charge to 80% two days before then top it off to 100% using Level 1 the night before I leave - I am lucky I have both Level 1 and 2. If I don't drive a longer distance I still charge to 100% once a month but make sure I do not leave it at 100% - check out the Battery University online or this article is not bad, Battery charging: Full versus Partial - 🔋PushEVs

BTW some people charge to 100% every night and have no concerns!

Not exactly a black and white answer but most of the above appears in a fair number of places.

...that loks like:

• Cycling from 80 to 20 % we get 3.500 cycles

= 3500*7/365 ...if I charge it every week I will have 67 years of life-time (before EOL 70%)?!
😵

 

[RicInVic]

There is a lot of confusion about charging when there doesn't need to be. The 2021 Kona takes care of safe charging and will warm or cool the battery as needed. It also limits current at high states of charge.
Batteries only charge with DC, so if you use a Level 1 or 2 AC charger, the car converts the current to DC. The only real difference in the 3 types of chargers is the maximum current they provide.
Using a 100 kW charger, the car will automatically reduce the rate of charge from 75 kW to under 50 at 60% SoC and much less at 80%. By 90%, the current is similar to a Level 1 charge.

I just completed a BC to Ontario round trip without issues, except many broken chargers on the prairies.

It's a fantastic car,
Rick

 

[dadys31]

Hi All,this is a great forum.Im basically in the same boat with a lot of you lot out there.
I'm a owner of a brand new Hyundai Kona Electric 2021 64/150 Khw here in the UK.
For the time being I've only charged my car from the home socket and only from 30% to -80%
It is a very slow charge.
I'm planning to have a charging point fitted at home soon.
Here in the UK the temperature gone down to 2Celsius
I've set up the battery protection winter mode in the settings in my Hyundai Kona Electric , however this takes a bit from the driving range.
My question to you guys is ,what are the numbers you are getting in terms of Kilowatt per mile in your Hyundai Kona please?
I've attached my energy consumption picture for my car, please feel free to comment on it.
I'd like also to mention that I've just switched to electric from a petrol car not long ago,this is my first electric car.
Please let me know your thoughts on this and please feel free to add some free advice for my car,it will be highly appreciated.
Thank you.

 

[Kiwi]

Your home charging setup should be based on what range you expect out of how many hours of charging overnight. As a rule of thumb I get (64kWh Kona) about 9 km (5.6 miles) or 2.5% for every hour at 8 amps 230VAC. Chargers delivering 16 or 32 amps will multiply that linearly, so 11 and 22 miles or 5 and 10%, respectively.

The cool weather doesn't affect charging at 8 amps (up to about 14) but it will certainly reduce your driving efficiency. Charging over roughly 14 amps may cause the battery heater to kick in when the pack is under 15°C, significantly slowing charge rate for maybe the first 1/4 hour or so.

You wouldn't intentionally let the car go down to 30% before charging. If the car is used daily, always charge while at home even if it means a smaller spread of percent, say 50 to 70%, which is what I normally use.